The 2011 World Sporting will be located in.....

[bengun]

the shoot that i won this year is in san antonio next year< thats a fact, I have spoken to george he is attending both events, richard faulds is only attending the USA, I am defo going USA  and am undecided on NZ as yet, cpsa are sending teams to both events, so they are still honouring the USA  shoot as a world championships. i spoke with John at length about this so i know his views already lets see what he tell Cyril.

Ben

[bengun]

the shoot has been alternating since 1994 i have proudly attended everyone, another cyril fact that is wrong

[madds]

I think you will find GD is as confused as the rest of us, it is really unacceptable to have this squabbling in a sport as small as ours, and the powers that be need to get their act together and sort it out!! I'm looking foward to hearing from the CPSA Chair for his answer, as they were involved in the "spreading of the sport globally". Being a Kiwi I know where I'll be going, infact I will not be moving far from home next year except maybe a raid into Australia, but 2012 the World FITASC is definately on the cards. I think the NZ shoot will be pretty good and what a place to visit:

best Sauvignon Blanc in the World, the reds arn't bad either.
its Salmon and trout fishing season (all wild no farmed),
hunting of Red, Fallow, Sambar, Rusa, White tail deer, Elk, Chamois and Tahr covering both Islands.
Nothing that creeps, crawls, bites,
pleasant weather at that time of year
Scenery to die for, just look at Lord of the Rings!!!
The currancy conversion is good infavour of visitors
Hunters/shooters are all WELCOME in NZ
Targets set by a good POM, Graham Brown of Laporte fame.
The ground has hills and gullys, is not flat like  San Antonio
and the beer is full strength and very drinkable 

[K20/perazzi]

where can we sign up?

[madds]

They have a web site set up for all your queries, accommodation etc.etc., entries are now open.
http://www.wesc2011.com/

[Chesterfield]

Seems a tempest in a teapot to me. Everyone knows what sporting clays is as a sport, accepted rules worldwide, different from skeet, FITASC, Compak, etc. Pretty good, given that there is no internationally accepted governing body. So far as a "World Championship" goes, perception is reality. Any organization can hold, recognize or sponsor a "World Championship", anywhere, anytime.

I figure there are three groups interested in what's what: sponsors, spectators and participants. Since spectators don't really figure in this one, its down to sponsors and participants. Sponsors don't matter all that much, except as to the quality and size of the shoot that their presence can provide. I believe participants are what makes a sporting clay shoot a "World" event.

We know pretty much who the top 10, 30, 50 or 100 (Insert numbers to your satisfaction) shooters in the world are by now, give or take. When most of that Group gets together and shoots the same targets, I think its a "world" event. When most of that Group thinks they are playing for world domination, then they are. So, if it turns out that different organizations promote their shoots as "World" events, it will be the shooters who ultimately decide if that is true. "World" events that do not draw heavily from the Group will not last long, eventually one "World" event comes to be perceived by the Group, and by other shooters because of them, as the event that counts as such.

I do not think there is any way around this process unless shooters in the game agree to all recognize one international organization, good or bad, the way FITASC has developed. Right now Ben Husthwaite has it about right. He is current Sporting champion, so wherever he goes to defend that title against the Group of likely/usual suspect is the World Event. Just what I think, anyway.

[Breeze]

Cyril, dear friend it appears as if the center of the shooting world will again be in Texas....I'm sure much to your disdain.... I'll buy you a bottle of the finest Hill Country wine to go along with your other "whine" Just show up and shoot dude!!!

[ward]

Because England and the USA are the largest participants I can understand alternating between the two countries. What I am struggling with is location. An earlier post mentions the World's will be where the top shooters decide to attend. Is that really San Antonio ? If the NSCA wants to attract the best shooters to the USA then hold the shoot on the best grounds.

[shootingguru]

  Breeze, As soon as I get an official reply from CPSA I will post the answer!
 p.s. keep the red wine at 17 celsius DON@T chill it! 
Ward, the World Sporting is a "cash cow" that the only reason that the NSCA wants it in San Antonio (probably the most boring ground in Texas?)
No the top shooters do not decide where its held! the merely try to blackmail
the organizations for their own ends! I agree with your last paragraph.

[JLSO5]

Shootingguru, now that you know George, Ben, and Richard are coming over here it is only right that you being the 4th great over the pond that you go to NZ.  I know they will be greatful that they have at least one of the BIG 4 there and especially since you are the only one of the 4 that knows all and tells all.
I have heard from many wine connoisseurs of the excellent wines you produce over there so NZ should fit your taste to a T.
San Antonio will surely miss you over here.

[Breeze]

Big picture is we have passion about our sport. We care what happens, politics and b.s. aside. I wanna beat you and you wanna beat me and when it's over we have a beer and talk about who's gonna kick who's ass the next time! It don't get no better than this!!!

Breeze

The rest of you can go to hell..as for me I'm going to Texas.

[shootingguru]

  I am still awaiting a reply from the CEO of the CPSA! now here is a something to ponder on.
If "King" George goes to New Zealand and wins the C/ship and Ben goes to San Antonio and wins that C/ship who is the World English Sporting Champion the first one to do it or the one with the highest score or the shoot with the most International shooters?or --------------- >

[Dickn52]

I take acception to the post that alludes to S/A as the 'most boring ground in Texas'.  Sir, Texas if full of boring ground that is far more boring than S/A.  However it has some fine landscape as well.

I do agree however than the Sporting Complex is boring.

[shootingguru]

  I recieved this reply today from the "acting"CEO of the CPSA and I quote,
Regarding the World Sporting Championship I gather this is the current position.
 1.The International Clay Target Shooting Federation Championship to be held in New Zealand 2011 will be the "official"English SportingWorld Championship and
as the CPSA is a member of the ICTSF, Englands funded Official team will be supporting this event!
2.The NSCA event in San Antonio is a continuance of the annual event, I gather that a non funded team can/will attend this.
I gather that the NSCA at their meeting this autumn will debate whether to join the ICTSF in a triangular rota for the event. (i.e.Nortern Hemisphere, N.A., Southern Hemisphere). (unquote)
As this comes from the "horses mouth" perhaps I am not so full of s*** as certain shooters suggest!

[madds]

Shootingguru, many thanks for that effort and probably pushing them for a definate reply. As I've said to my NZ interested mates thats the CPSA reply, but the Good Old U.S. hasn't come back and I bet the might of the US$$$ might persuade a few to go that way. As it's an official World Championship I'd hope that the top shooters all come here to compete.  I'm personally very glad, at this stage the "official" Worlds will be in N.Z. and though I do know of the history of the US/UK shoots but think it's good to try and have a global event. Shooters at my level go, not only for hopefully the fine shooting, but the food, wine, camaraderie, and as tourists to the respective country.
Again thanks for getting an answer.